Monday, June 29, 2009
A few comments on Response 5
2. Odysseus is detained from his return home by several people, including Kalypso with whom he currently resides. However, Poseidon is the original perpetrator, since he is angry with Odysseus for gauging his son's eye out (Polyphemos the Cyclops). We will read more about that in book 11.
3. Penelope. A lot of people seemed confused about why she could not fend off the suitors herself. But recall that this is not a modern story and that the women of this time period really had no rights. So, while Penelope is certainly royalty, she does not have the ability to kick out the suitors who are ruining her home. Furthermore, if, indeed, Odysseus is dead then it is her and Laertes' responsibility to have her married off to a new King.
4. Several others seem to think Telemachos is weak and should have addressed the suitors earlier... recall that he is barely 20. Most men don't marry til they're 30-ish, so he is not exactly of age to be chastising the suitors or even trying to kick them out, as we discussed in class, and not of an age where they would respect him.
Friday, June 26, 2009
Reading Response 5 (Due Monday)
Thursday, June 25, 2009
Don't Forget About Response 4
Wednesday, June 24, 2009
The History of the House of Atreus

Tantalus – Son of (disputed): Zeus & Pluto, Oceanus & Tethys, Tmolus.
Friend of Zeus, stole immortal food to share with mortals. Invited immortal gods to a banquet, but did not have enough food. So, he cut up his son Pelops & served him to the gods. Only Demeter ate the food, since she was the only one who did not recognize the meal. Punished in Hades by standing in unreachable water and unreachable fruit above his head, forever “tantalized”.
Pelops – Son of Tantalus
Desired to marry Hippodameia, daughter of King Oenomaus, the Arcadian King of Pisa and Elis. Oenomaus challenged all suitors to a chariot race. Hippodameia would ride with each suitor in the race and if the suitor won, Oenomaus would die. Oenomaus tricked them by letting them start early while he sacrificed to Zeus. Myrtilus (son of Hermes), Oenomaus’ charioteer, also fell in love with Hippodameia. Pelops convinced him to betray Oenomaus in return for the privilege of spending the bridal night with Hippodameia. Once they won and got away, Pelops did not follow through on their agreement and threw Myrtilus off of a cliff into the sea. On his way down, Myrtilus cursed Pelops and his descendants.
Atreus – Son of Pelops & Hippodameia
Thyestes – Son of Pelops & Hippodameia
Atreus promised to sacrifice the finest of his flock to Artemis. Hermes in revenge for Myrtilus’ murder sent a golden lamb. Atreus sacrificed the lamb but kept the golden fleece. The council decided that the throne belonged to the owner of the lamb/fleece. So, Thyestes devised a plan to steal the fleece from Atreus by way of seducing Atreus’ wife, Aerope. From there, ensued a long battle back and forth of stealing it from each other. Eventually, Aerope gave birth to Pelopia after Thyestes fled. Later on, Thyestes accidentally rapes his daughter Pelopia, who gives birth to Aegisthus. Atreus as King, raised him and then sent him to kill Thyestes. He fails, Thyestes recognizes him as his own son, and tells him to bring his mother to him. Pelopia recognizes that her father was the rapist and commits suicide. Thyestes then sends Aegisthus to kill Atreus and succeeds.
Tyndareus & Leda – King and Queen of Sparta, contemporaries with Atreus & Thyestes
Leda was seduced by Zeus in the form of a swan and gave birth to 4 children: Polydeuces & Helen in one egg, and Castor and Clytamnestra in the other egg. The twin brothers later become gods, while Helen and Clytamnestra remain mortals (Helen being the most beautiful of all women).
Agamemnon – Son of Atreus & Aerope
Menelaus – Song of Atreus & Aerope
After Aegisthus killed Atreus and Thyestes became King of Mycenae, Agamemnon and Menelaus received help from King Tyndareus (Sparta) in regaining their thrones. With Tyndareus’ help, Thyestes was forced to give Agamemnon the throne of Mycenae. Menelaus, of course, later marries Tyndareus’ daughter, Helen, and becomes King of Sparta.
Menelaus and Helen have one daughter, Hermione*, before Helen is seduced by Paris and taken to Troy.
Agamemnon first went to war against Tantalus, King of Pisa, the son of his uncle Broteas. After conquering, he married Tantalus’ widow, Clytamnestra, daughter of Tyndareus. With her he has 4 children: Iphigenia, Orestes, Chrysothemis, and Electra.
Iphigenia – Daughter of Agamemnon & Clytamnestra
In order to appease Artemis, and guarantee a victory at Troy, Agamemnon sacrificed his daughter Iphigenia at Aulis before leaving for Troy.
Aegisthus – Incest son of Pelopia (daughter) & Thyestes (father)
After Agamemnon left for Troy, Aegisthus seduced Clytamnestra, which wasn’t very hard to do since she was already angry with Agamemnon. Together they plotted to murder Agamemnon upon his return home.
Hermione - Daughter of Menelaus & Helen
First is married to Neoptolemus (son of Achilles). Later, Orestes kills Neoptolemus and marries Hermione.
* If the name Hermione calls to mind Harry Potter, J.K. Rowling studied classics as her undergraduate major :)
Tuesday, June 23, 2009
Monday, June 22, 2009
Iliad Books 19-24
Iliad Books 14-18
Iliad Books 7-9
Reading Response 4 & Following
This week's questions:
1. Now that you've finished the Iliad, what are your ending opinions/thoughts?
Dr. Donald Kagan, Yale, Lectures on Sparta & Greek Tyranny
Spencer Harrington, "Behind the Mask of Agamemnon" in the magazine Archaeology
http://www.archaeology.org/9907/etc/mask.html
Friday, June 19, 2009
Reading Response 3 (Due Monday)
Book 16 (Short Answer)
How does Patroklos acquire Achilles’ armor? More importantly, what did you think about the conversation between Achilles and Patroklos? What is your opinion of Partoklos based on Book 9 & 16
Regardless of whether you’ve read the Iliad before, how did you react to Patroklos’ death? What purpose do you think his death serves?
Book 17 (Short Answer)
Why the fight over Patroklos’ dead body? More specifically, what purpose does Glaukos see in taking the body to the Trojan camp?
Book 18 (Long Answer )
1. What does Homer describe on the shield of Achilles in Book 18? What purpose do you think this description serves in relation to the rest of the story of the Iliad. Do you see any parallels to the action of the main plot in the Iliad in the description of the scenes on the shield? Regarding the scenes that do not seem to be directly related to the main plot, what other purpose is served by including. Use direct quotes to support your discussion.
Wednesday, June 17, 2009
Reading for 6/18
Change in Reading Schedule for Monday 6/22
Tuesday, June 16, 2009
Homeric Warriors and Battles: Trying to Resolve Old Problems
Apollo's Reason for Being Pro-Trojan
Apollo really liked mortal women, but generally did not have much luck with them. The important piece for the purpose of our discussion is that he had an affair with Hecuba (the Queen of Troy and wife to Priam):
"The most famous mortal loves of Apollo was Hecuba, she was the wife of Priam, the king of Troy. She bore him Troilius. Foretold by an oracle, as long as Troilius reached the age of twenty, Troy could not be defeated. But the hero Achilles ambushed and killed him, when the young prince and his sister Polyxena secretly visited a spring. Apollo also fell in love with Cassandra, the sister of Troilius, and daughter of Hecuba and Priam. He seduced Cassandra on the promise that he would teach her the art of prophecy, but having learnt the prophetic art she rejected him. Apollo, being angry of her rejection punished her, by declaring her prophecies never to be accepted or believed."
Reading Response 2 (Due Thursday)
Book 5 & 6 (Short Answer: 2-4 sentences)
1. Who is the main character of these 2 books and how would you describe his actions? What happened that allowed him to do these things? Who, specifically, does he interact with? What is different about his interaction with Glaukos?
Book 9 (Long Answer: 2-3 paragraphs)
1. What arguments does Odysseus use in his attempt to persuade Achilles? How do Phoinix’s and Aias’s attempt to persuade Achilles? Keeping in mind Achilles’ responses, whose argument is most convincing? What is your opinion of Achilles’ decision? If you were Achilles, what would you do?
Book 14 (Short Answer: 2-3 sentences)
1. What does Hera have to do to seduce Zeus?
Powell Chapter (At least 1 paragraph)
Based on Powell’s chapter, how do you think you would have fared as an Ancient Greek? What would you have liked/disliked about life during that time? Support your explanation with quotations or paraphrased examples from the chapter. What would you miss most about modern-day life?
Monday, June 15, 2009
Iliad Review 1-6
Welcome & Reading Response 1
Book 1
1. What are the motivations for the argument between Agamemnon and Achilles?
2. What do you think of Achilles and Agamemnon thus far? Why?
Book 3
1. How would you describe the relationship between Paris and his brother Hektor?
2. Who wins the duel between Paris and Menelaus? How?
3. What is Helen’s attitude toward Paris? What does Aphrodite do about it?